Direct examination by Hon. Samuel S. Liebowitz

Q: What is your first name?

A: Dallas Ramsey

Q: Now about two years ago this month -- you read the papers don't you?

A: Yes sir

Q: Do you remember reading the papers in Chattanooga about some trouble between some colored boys and white girls down around Scottsboro?

A: Yes sir.

Q: On that day you read about that in the afternoon papers or late evening papers of Chattanooga were you in the railroad yards of Chattanooga that morning?

A: I was living right at the railroad, yes sir.

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Q: A short distance away from your home is that were the tank is on the railroad tracks in Chattanooga?

A: Yes sir.

Q: To the left of that is the tank, where the railroad tank is on the railroad?

A: Yes sir.

Q: This whole are in here (indicating) described by a light line here, what is that whole area know as?

A: Called Hobo Jungle.

Q: In the Hoboes Jungle where you have a cross with the letter L" who lives there, who lived there two years ago?

A: They called him Lewis.

Q: In a little shack in that Hobo Jungle?

A: Yes sir.

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Q: Did you see some girls on that morning in a place called the jungle you have indicated on that map, some white girls?

A: Yes sir.

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Q:: What time did you see them in the jungles?

A:: Something like six o'clock in the morning.

COURT: Did you say you heard a something about that trouble on the train near Scottsboro?

A: I read about it.

COURT: What time was that?

Q: Was that the same day or next day, was it the same morning that you read about it that night in the Chattanooga papers?

A: I seen them there that morning--


A: I seen two girls there that morning, the next day that was the time I read about it or heard about it.

Q: You read about it the next day in the paper that something had happened the afternoon before?

A: Yes sir.

Q: The day or afternoon of the account referred to you say you saw those girls about six o'clock in the morning in the jungles?

A: Yes sir.

COURT: How many girls did you see

A: Two

MR. LEIBOWITZ: Will you bring Victoria Price in.

GENERAL KNIGHT: We object, let him describe the girls.

COURT: Let her come in.

GENERAL KNIGHT: I don't mind her coming in, but I do think the jury should be able to test his accuracy, you see my cross examination on this is foreclosed--

MR. LEIBOWITZ: Your Honor please we will not only prove it by this witness, but will prove it by white witnesses.

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Q: Is this the girl you saw?


COURT: Overrule the objection.

A: She seems like the same girl -- it seems like she is a little heavier now that what she was then.

Q: It is the same girl?

A: Yes sir.

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Q: After you arrived at Lewis' house where did you go with Lewis?

GENERAL KNIGHT: We object to that.

COURT: Overrule that objection.

A: We left his house and went down to his hog pen.

Q: How far away from the house was the hog pen?

A: Well about two hundred yards

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Q: After you saw the sick hog where did you go?

A: I left there then and come up on the Central of Georgia trestle.

Q: Did you leave with Lewis?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Which way did you go with you left with Lewis?

A: There is a path from the sick hog up on the Central Georgia trestle.

Q: Please tell us what court or direction you went when you come up on the trestle?

A: We were already down in the jungles.

Q: Did you see anybody in the jungle?

A: We seen two girls.

Q: That was on of the girls you have identified here a little while ago?

A: Yes sir.

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Q: Did this girl you have identified (for the record Victoria Price) say to you, when does the train for Huntsville leave?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Or words to that effect?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Did you reply to that or did Lewis reply?

A: I replied.

Q: Tell these gentlemen what you said to her

A: I said it leaves somewhere around nine o'clock

Q: What did she say then?

A: She said w came up here hunting a job, and I told her, I said about a month ago I says I left by job over there at the Hosiery Mill, at the Champion Hosiery Mill, I bought a dray and I had to quit, and they are hiring knitters over there, and I says they practically put on some every day and it might be you could get a job over there, and she said I have been all around the town and couldn't find no job.

Q: That as at six o'clock in the morning?

A: Yes sir

Q: Then what else was said?

A: I told her, well--

Q: Did she say to you her old man had just left her and gone hunting for food?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Did you ask her how she was going to get back to Huntsville and did she say she was going to hobo on a freight?

A: Yes sir, she said she was going to hobo back.

Q: Then did you say then and there, it is a pretty hard way for a woman to travel?

A: Yes sir

Q: Then what happened?

A: She said we haven't got any money, and said my old man has gone uptown to look for some food.

Q: Was there any more conversation between you and these girls?

A: That was practically all believe of that conversation we had, and I then left and went on upon the railroad

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Q: That is here you saw them later in the morning?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Were they with somebody at that time?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Did you see a man with them?

A: Yes sir.

Q: Tell us about that?

A: I seen a gentlemen with them at that time.

Q: White man?

A: White man.

Q: Was he with them at the crossing?

A: Yes sir.

Q: What sort of white man was he, was he a dark man, dark haired?

COURT: Describe him?

Q: As to the color of his hair, if you can remember.

A: I don't know as I could, I really never noticed about his hair.

Q: Tell us what you observed there when you saw these girls at the crossing of the two railroads, what happened?

A: When the train run I seen them all catch the train there.

COURT: How many were there?

A: How many girls?


A: Well I only seen two girls.

COURT: How many men?

A: Oh, I seen a crowd of boys.

Q: White and colored?

A: Yes sir.

COURT: This man with the girls what became of him?

A: He catched the train too.

From the Cross Examination by Attorney General Knight

Q: Do you know Mr. Chamlee?

A: Yes sir.

Q: How long have you known him?

A: Oh, I have been knowing Mr. Chamlee for the last I reckon twelve or fifteen years.

Q: Who was the first on one talked to about this case?

A: Well they haven't any one talked to me about the case, no more than until you might say Mr. Chamlee asked me sometime ago.

Q: What did he say?

A: He asked me did I see these girls, and I told him, yes, I see them.

Q: You don't know how he knew you saw them?

A: No sir, I don't know.

Q: But when he asked you told him you did see them?

A: Yes sir.

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Q: Mr Chamlee is the first man that asked you did you see them, is that true?

A: He wasn't the first man, but he was the first man that was involved in the case that asked me anything, other people asked me about it.

Q: How did they happen to ask you about it?


COURT: Overrule that objection.

A: Mr. Chamlee I think probably had a talk with Lewis; he came from Lewis' house over to my house.

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Q: When did you first read about it

A: The following morning after that

Q: You are sure that was the first time you read about it?

A: Yes sir.

Q: You are sure you read about it the next morning?

A: Yes sir.

Q: What paper did you read it in

A: Chattanooga Times

Q: Did you tell anybody you had seen these girls?

A: Yes sir, told everybody around there I seen them and had talked with them over there.